Thread 47434 in /math/

P47434 link reply
How do I even learn mathematics
P47454 link reply
P47434 BBC Bitesize, Seneca Learning

Thread 47322 in /math/

P47322 Axiom of choice link reply
What do you think of the axiom of choice? Do you take mathematical constructs that require the axiom of choice to show they exist as seriously as other mathematics? What about nonconstructive mathematics in general?

PDF related, he argues
>Thus the problem with Zermelo’s axiom of choice is not the existence of the choice function but its extensionality, and this is not visible within an extensional framework, like Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory, where all functions are by definition extensional.
(A function is extensional if it maps equivalent inputs to equivalent outputs.)
P47386 link reply

Thread 46957 in /math/

P46957 The King's Salary link reply
After the revolution, each of the 66 citizens of a certain country, including the king, has a salary of one dollar. The king can no longer vote, but he does retain the power to suggest changes -- namely, redistribution of salaries. Each person's salary must be a whole number of dollars, and the salaries must sum to 66. Each suggestion is voted on, and carried if there are more votes for than against. Each voter can be counted on to vote "yes" if his salary is to be increased, "no" if decreased, and otherwise not to bother voting.

The king is both selfish and clever. What is the maximum salary he can obtain for himself, and how long does it take him to get it?
P46974 link reply
you forgot to explain how the voting works
bc if you only need 1 approving vote, then its 66 and takes 1 turn
P47197 link reply
This looks pretty similar to P421. Or maybe not, since only the king can propose and all 65 voters are similar.
I assume a proposition is only approved if there are more vote for than against. What happens if there is a tie during voting?

I assume a tie invalidates the proposition.
In this case, the king can get a 63$ salary in 8 days.

Day 0: Everyone earns 1$
Day 1: The king proposes to raise 33 people's salary to 2$ and reduce the 32 others and his own to 0$
Day 2: Raise 17 from 2 to 3$, reduce 15 from 2 to 0$, raise his own to 15$
Day 3: Raise 9 from 3 to 4$, reduce 8 from 3 to 0$, raise his own to 30$
Day 4: Raise 5 from 4 to 5$, reduce 4 from 4 to 0$, raise his own to 41$
Day 5: Raise 3 from 5 to 6$, reduce 2 from 5 to 0$, raise his own to 48$
Day 6: Raise 2 from 6 to 7$, reduce 1 from 6 to 0$, raise his own to 52$
Day 7: Raise 3 from 0 to 1$, reduce 2 from 7 to 0$, raise his own to 63$

If the king retains a tie-breaker right, then
Day 7: Raise 1 from 7 to 8$, reduce 1 from 7 to 0$, raise his own to 59$
Day 8: Raise 1 from 0 to 1$, reduce 1 from 0 to 0$, raise his own to 65$


Conclusion: guillotine the king and anyone else who proposes to concentrate the wealth into fewer hands.
P47206 link reply
P47197
Another difference from P421 is that P421 presumes the voters are rational whereas in this problem voters vote in a very short-sighted way.

>I assume a tie invalidates the proposition.
Yes, that's how I'd interpret
>carried if there are more votes for than against.
And it says the king can't vote. So your first solution is correct.

The book I got this from (Winkler's "Mathematical Puzzles: A Connoisseur's Collection") says:
>This puzzle was devised by Johan Wästlund of Linköping University, and (loosely!) inspired by historical events in Sweden.
I wonder what this was about.
P47225 link reply
P47197
Retard. This experiment is an indictment of democracy, not monarchy.

Thread 33058 in /math/

P33058 link reply
1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + ... converges to 2 in the reals.
1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + ... doesn't converge in the reals but it does converge to -1 in the 2-adics.
Is there an extension to the rationals in which 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ... converges to -1/12?
6 replies omitted.
P35165 link reply
Are there properties a metric could have that would justify these steps? Or is it necessary to use something other than limits of partial sums?
P35462 link reply
page1.jpg
P35165
Full contents of his notebook:
https://www.imsc.res.in/~rao/ramanujan/NoteBooks/NoteBook1/chapterVIII/page1.htm

[tex: B_2, B_4, B_6, B_8, \ldots] are the Bernoulli numbers, which show up when computing sums of powers [tex: \sum_{k=1}^n k^a].
P45393 link reply
The person asked a different question that this. He asked for an extension of the rationals that converges whereas ramanujan created an extension to summation.
P45394 link reply
>>P35462
>>P45393

Reply is not working with js disabled.
P46292 link reply
P34712
nakadashi

Thread 43846 in /math/

P43846 Conway's Thrackles link reply
A thrackle is a drawing on the plane consisting of vertices (points) and edges (non-self-intersecting curves) such that:

• every edge ends in two different vertices, but hits no other vertex; and
• every edge intersects each other edge exactly once, either at a vertex or by crossing at an interior point.

Is there a thrackle with more edges than vertices?
1 reply omitted.
P43883 link reply
I don't think so, but there are with as many edges as vertices.
P43894 link reply
P43883
How many different such figures exist, for a given number of vertices? I think the first terms are
1 0
2 0
3 1
4 2
5 10, but I may have missed some configurations
I doodled them on paper, but I can't be arsed to redo them on the computer rn

P43887
wtf does that mean?
P44316 link reply
Given Conway's involvement, I wonder if this is related to some sort of game.
P44336 link reply
P44316
Why would it be? Conway worked on many things that were unrelated to any game
P45360 link reply
P43894
I'm trying to think of how to generate them in a manner that ensures we have everything. We could try ignoring the intersections first, then deciding which edges we're going to make intersect each other. Is there a way to generate all the graphs with V vertices and E edges that aren't isomorphic to each other? When I try to generate them I get a lot of duplicates due to isomorphic graphs, so I wonder if there's a more efficient way.

Thread 21109 in /math/

P21109 Linear Algebra Done Wrong link reply
Discussion and updates and thoughts about this book as people study it.
20 replies omitted.
P23467 link reply
P23455
Functions by definition are never many-to-one. If you have Ax = y and [tex: Ax = y_1], then you always have [tex: y = Ax = y_1]. The second condition you are looking for is that A is surjective (a.k.a. "onto"), meaning that for every b, Ax = b has a solution, or in other words, that the range of A is its entire codomain.

To prove that if A is invertible, then it is surjective, the text simply notes that [tex: A^{-1} b] is a solution to Ax = b.

The second part of the proof is about the going in the other direction, showing that if Ax = b has a unique solution, then A is invertible. It's more complicated than you might expect because they not only have to show that there's a function that is the inverse of A, but also that this function is a linear transformation.
P23532 link reply
P23467
>Functions by definition are never many-to-one.
Oops, meant to say
*Functions by definition are never [bold: one-to-many].
P41441 link reply
P21109
op pic looks like like a dab if you see the wings as arms cannot unseee
P41444 link reply
yea lol it really does
P42241 link reply
Did OP continue reading this?

Thread 28972 in /math/

P28972 link reply
***** mode: find and prove the exact value of [tex:\alpha], trigonometry allowed
babby mode: find [tex:\alpha] approximately, anything goes except looking up the answer
29 replies omitted.
P31125 I was so charming that a lady had a crush on I. link reply
P31115 simply construct a new triangle. It makes things simple.

Do the following [(Sin40 X Cos40 x Tan 40) / (Sin40 X cos40)] X 3
P40160 link reply
XEC = 150
BXE = 130
alpha = XEC - BXE = 20

kek
P40792 link reply
similar problem found on 4/sci/
(if you don't see what's similar, in OP imagine moving D inside triangle ABE)
P40797 link reply
Wikipedia has this to say about the generalized version:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langley%27s_Adventitious_Angles#Generalization

>A quadrilateral such as BCEF is called an adventitious quadrangle when the angles between its diagonals and sides are all rational angles, angles that give rational numbers when measured in degrees or other units for which the whole circle is a rational number. Numerous adventitious quadrangles beyond the one appearing in Langley's puzzle have been constructed. They form several infinite families and an additional set of sporadic examples.[5]

>Classifying the adventitious quadrangles (which need not be convex) turns out to be equivalent to classifying all triple intersections of diagonals in regular polygons. This was solved by Gerrit Bol in 1936 (Beantwoording van prijsvraag # 17, Nieuw-Archief voor Wiskunde 18, pages 14–66). He in fact classified (though with a few errors) all multiple intersections of diagonals in regular polygons. His results (all done by hand) were confirmed with computer, and the errors corrected, by Bjorn Poonen and Michael Rubinstein in 1998.[6] The article contains a history of the problem and a picture featuring the regular triacontagon and its diagonals.

>In 2015, an anonymous Japanese woman using the pen name "aerile re" published the first known method (the method of 3 circumcenters) to construct a proof in elementary geometry for a special class of adventitious quadrangles problem.[7][8][9] This work solves the first of the three unsolved problems listed by Rigby in his 1978 paper.[5]
P40929 link reply
P40792
source is a book called "o livro negro dos traçados auxiliares"

Thread 39211 in /math/

P39211 link reply
Mathematical induction is supposedly the basic idea that underlies all of arithmetic. But many people who have no problem with arithmetic struggle with induction. Are mathematicians overcomplicating arithmetic, or are teachers just shit at explaining induction?
P39234 link reply
"Many people" are retards. There's nothing hard in induction. If you struggle with induction you should consider a rope.

Thread 38799 in /math/

P38799 link reply
If I were proving the a*b = b*a using a machine with formal logic, it would be easiest to write a proof by induction. But if I were explaining why it was true to a human *****, I would draw a picture like the one attached. Are there any formal logic descriptions of arithmetic that are natural in the sense that they make arguments like the one in the picture easy to write? Alternatively, what's the best way to write the picture's argument as a formal proof in existing systems?
11 replies omitted.
P38898 link reply
Okay, I think a lot of the needless complexity here is from writing down formulas that track what's happening at each step. That shouldn't be necessary. We can think about it like this:

L = [0]*b
R = [0]*a
for i in range(a):
for j in range(b):
L[j] += 1
R[i] += 1

Clearly each inner loop increases sum(L) and sum(R) by 1, so sum(L) == sum(R) at the end. Also at the end every element of L should be a, and every element of R should be b. But maybe there are complexities I'm not thinking of that will show up when I try to implement it in say, Coq.
P38899 link reply
>But if I were explaining why it was true to a human *****,
kys
P38900 link reply
save the smooches until you're older, my dear
P38951 link reply
behold my tongue
P38996 link reply
Thinking about it some more, the idea behind the pic in P38799 is that given b groups of a things, we make the ith element of each of the b groups into a group of b things, and there are a such groups. We can imagine the ith elements of the groups as the ith step in a temporal sequence in which the groups of size a grow at each step. The items added in each such step are the exactly the a groups of size b.

So formally, we can do something like this. Start with a list of zeros of length b; its sum will be zero. Then perform a steps where you add 1 to all the numbers. This increases the sum by the sum of a list of b 1's, which is b. At the end, the sum of the list, which by definition is a*b, will be equal to the result of adding b a times to 0, which is b*a.

Parts that need proof as separate theorems:
1. sum of a list of all 0's is 0
2. (x1+x2+...xn) + (y1+y2+...+yn) = (x1+y1)+(x2+y2)+...+(xn+yn)
These are very obvious at an intuitive level but still need proofs in a formal system, which should be pretty short.

Thread 37847 in /math/

P37847 The SAT will go completely digital next year link reply
tbh this is a stupid idea

1. The Bluebook app is only available on Windows, Mac OS and iPad (no Linux support)
2. Desmos calculator refused to work on tor (I don't want to use clearnet and tor at the same time!!!!)
3. You need a (((Windows / MacOS))) device to test. Luckily you can borrow (((Chromebook))) from your school.


https://blog.arborbridge.com/sat-will-become-fully-digital-and-shorter-by-2024-whats-changing
P37848 link reply
oh, also battery should hold charge for at least 3 hr
P37851 link reply
Lol, that's retarded. There is apparently no sound or video questions, so the format doesn't require a computer. I initially thought they wanted to save the cost of test centers, but
>Students will take the test at a school or test center, not at home.
What's the point of making it digital then?
>Students will have access to a series of tools through the digital testing app, including a timer, a calculator, a reference sheet, and a flagging tool to mark questions for review.
All of which are more convenient as separate tools. They themselves recommend test-takers to bring their own calculator.

Also,
>and students will not be able to see their battery percentage while in the digital testing app.
Why did they go out of their way to do that? Do they just want people who use an old laptop to go ***** themselves? I'm sure that app is extremely bloated and drains battery way faster than it should too.

>Desmos calculator refused to work on tor (I don't want to use clearnet and tor at the same time!!!!)
Why would you want to use an (((online calculator))) in the first place? You can buy a second-hand ti84 for 15€, or an 83 for 5€ (the latter might not be allowed for exams though). I don't know burger prices, but I don't see why they should be more expensive.

That said, I'm glad I don't live in your shithole.
P37852 link reply
P37851 Did you take SAT pilot? If you did, the calculator was based on Desmos. Yes, I have TI 84, Ti-nSpire and TI84 CE (these are SAT approved). I found the digital test less stressful than the Paper-based though (probably because it's the SAT pilot, not the actual test).
P37853 link reply
P37851

Do they just want people who use an old laptop to go ***** themselves?

New laptop hardware is full of spywares unlike old laptops. BIOS configuration is also easier on old laptops. But battery life sucks. They really want you to get a Windows or Mac laptops.

No thanks, I think I am going to finish the test this school year.
P37858 link reply
P37852
>Did you take SAT pilot?
No. As I said, I am not a burger. All our tests are done on paper (yes, even when they're about programming).
>the calculator was based on Desmos
wtf, it's not within the application? You're literally using a computer to connect to a remote server to ask it to make calculations that could have been done locally. It doesn't look that hard to embed geogebra (if you need graphs) or a python shell (if you don't) into the application.
>I found the digital test less stressful than the Paper-based though
Uh, is that the sort of tests you have to take multiple times? I thought it was to enter university?

P37853
Eh, whatever. OP said you could borrow a computer from your school for the purpose of the test.

Thread 30264 in /math/

P30264 link reply
You should be able to solve this.
6 replies omitted.
P30723 link reply
*mongoloids
P30724 link reply
P30721
tan(40) can also be obtained with the triple angle formula since tan(120) is known, to get 4*cos(50)-sqrt(3), which seems friendlier to plug into the right hand side by using double and half angle formula.
[spoiler:I realize this is probably not the intended way to prove this].
P30726 link reply
P30724 How about sin40, sin40 and sin40? since the sum of the angles is 120
P30881 link reply
Well, actually the root thing helped.

As I mentioned above, we can use sqrt(3)=tan(60)=tan(240)=tan(420), and the triple angle formula to obtain tan(20), tan(80) and tan(140) since all of them are roots of x^3-3*sqrt(3)*x^2-3*x+sqrt(3)=0.

We don't really need the actual values since we only care about the product, and the last coefficient is the (negative) product of all roots, that is tan(20)*tan(80)*tan(140)=-sqrt(3)=-tan(60).

Using tan(x)=cot(90-x) and tan(-x)=-tan(x), we get
cot(70)*tan(80)*cot(-50)=-tan(60), which leads to the desired result.
P30882 link reply
P30881
Also, we would need to show that tan(20), tan(80) and tan(140) are all different, but it's easy to see that 0 < tan(20) < 1, 1 < tan(80) and -1 < tan(140) < 0.

Thread 28615 in /math/

P28615 Square packing link reply
Squares in Squares.png
These are the best known ways to pack a given number of identically-sized squares into a larger square.
https://erich-friedman.github.io/packing/squinsqu/
P28616 link reply
Or at least it was at the time. This seems to be from 2009, so some of these have probably been improved since then.
P28617 link reply
P28616
>2009
My mistake, the associated paper is from 2009, but it seems to have been updated as recently as 2014. I don't know whether updates are continuing.

Thread 27362 in /math/

P27362 link reply
Consider two random matrices [tex: C\in\mathbb{R}^{n×n}] and [tex: x\in\mathbb{R}^{n×1}].
Assuming that the first and second moments of C and x (or any additional moment, if required) are known and that C is invertible, how can one find the first moments of [tex: C^{-1} x]?
P27728 link reply
I don't know. Is there a way to do it in the n=1, x=[1] case? That is, given a random real variable C which is guaranteed not to be zero, is there a way to compute the expectation value of 1/C from the expectation values of [tex: C, C^2, C^3, \ldots]?
P27912 link reply
Is it even possible?
Considering a random variable X that can take any of N values in [tex: \lbrace u_n \ne 0 \rbrace_{1<=n<=N}], the moments of X are
[tex: M_1 = E(X) = \frac{1}{N}\sum_{n=1}^N u_n], [tex: M_2 = E(X^2) = \frac{1}{N}\sum_{n=1}^N u_n^2], etc.

The expectation of 1/X is [tex: M_{-1} = E(1/X) = \frac{1}{N}\sum{n=1}^N \frac{1}{u_n} = \frac{\sum_{n=1}^N\prod_{i\ne n}u_i]

For N=1, this gives [tex: M_{-1} = \frac{1}{M_1}]. For N=2, [tex: M_{-1} = \frac{2 M_1}{M_1^2-M_2}]. For N=3, [tex: M_{-1} = \frac{3}{2} \frac{M_1^3-M_2}{M_1^3-M_3-3M_2 M_1}].

I don't have a proof, but it would seem that [tex: M_{-1}] can be expressed using the first N moments of X, which would become impossible as N rises to infinity, and would be even more so for a variable with a continuous distribution.

Thread 26591 in /math/

P26591 link reply
What is the least number of pieces that a 13x13 square can be cut into which can be reassembled into two squares, one 12x12 and the other 5x5?
1 reply omitted.
P26909 link reply
I've found two constructions, one naive and one that relies on Pytha*****'s theorem, that require 7 pieces. I don't know if that's the minimum.
P26999 link reply
Nevermind that, I actually only need 5 pieces
P27014 link reply
P26591 says you have a 3x3 rectangles

multiply it by 4

(3 x 3) = 12x12

that means you can resemble four 3x3 triangles inside

twelve is a multiples of three


===========================

Now for 5x5 triangles

ten is a multiples of five, thus

(5x5) x 2 = 10x10

You can resemble two 5x5 triangles into 13x13

===============================

Now for 2x2 triangles (to fill the gaps)

(2x2) x 6 = 12x12

You can resemble six 2x2 triangle into 13x13

Now draw the table

5x5 | O O |
12x12 | O |
2x2 | O O O O O O |


The answer is three:
One 5x5 square
One 12x12 square
One 2x2 square
P27016 Logical Reasoning (KS4) link reply
P27014
No! Rectangles really are Rectangles
Squares really are Squares
Rectangles are NOT Squares
Squares are NOT Rectangles
P27153 link reply
P26999
That's the best I know. I don't know if it's optimal or not.

Thread 21932 in /math/

P21932 ET Jaynes' Probability link reply
thread to discuss the textbook, its exercises, rant about probability theory, and journal as you go through the chapters one by one
10 replies omitted.
P24232 link reply
P24226
Seems like it, yes. The sum rule and the product rule both leave the priors untouched.
P24918 link reply
P24226
Not sure if the intention is to get it from only p(C|A), p(C|B), and p(C|AB) or if we're allowed to use other things. If we can use other stuff, then we can derive

P(C|A+B) = p(A|A+B) p(C|A) + p(B|A+B) p(C|B) - p(AB|A+B) p(C|AB).

If it's supposed to be just from p(C|A), p(C|B), and p(C|AB), it can't be done because it depends on the relative plausibilities of A, B, and AB.
P24919 link reply
never read it
whats the chance of two people on an obscure ib having read the same book
P26459 link reply
I am more or less a high school dropout (or the equivalent where I come from) and I never got any real math education beside the basics you learn in high school. Back then I struggled with simple algebra and linear functions, which where a topic I couldn't understand no matter what. But I program a lot and every once in a while I need to use some math. It's fine as is, but for certain puzzles I would like to learn some more complex math. I learn the best from books and when I read this thread is about I textbook I wanted to ask for recommendations. What are some easy-to-get-into math text books that could be teach math relevant for programming puzzles?
P26460 Not sponsored, and remember that I am the most handsome poster on the dark web link reply
P26459
Ray's New Higher / Practical Arithmetic (Algebra, Conic Sections etc..)
You could start with the primary arithmetic book..

You can either buy the reprint or find the original + Answer books on archive dot org

Thread 25895 in /math/

P25895 link reply
Imagine a die with a side for every positive integer, each equally likely to be the outcome if the die is rolled. What is the probability of rolling a 6?
19 replies omitted.
P26157 link reply
P25895
what kind of dice is that
P26158 link reply
P26153
Proof that we "can" (assuming choice) assign probabilities in such a way: Let U be a free ultrafilter on [tex:\mathbb{N}]. Let [tex:P(n \in A) = 1] if [tex: A \in U] and [tex:P(n \in A) = 0] if [tex: A \notin U]. We have P(rolling n) = 0 for any particular n, and we can easily show that if A and B are disjoint that [tex: P(n \in A) + P(n \in B) = P(n \in A \cup B)]. Still it's not exactly what we want, because it always assigns a probability of 0 or 1. So the next question is whether we can extend natural density in a way that consistently (maintaining finite additivity, ignoring countable addivitity) assigns probabilities to all subsets of [tex:\mathbb{N}].
P26162 link reply
P26151
Another part of Kolmogorov's axioms natural density breaks: The sets that can be assigned probabilities aren't closed even under finite intersections. Consider P(n is odd) and P(n is even XOR n begins with "1" when written in base 10).
P26309 link reply
P26158
>So the next question is whether we can extend natural density in a way that consistently (maintaining finite additivity, ignoring countable addivitity) assigns probabilities to all subsets of [tex:\mathbb{N}].

We "can." Let U be a free ultrafilter on [tex:\mathbb{N}] and let F(A,N) be the fraction of the first N positive integers that are members of A. Then assign

[tex: P(n \in A) = \inf \{x \in \mathbb{R} | \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A,N) < x\} \in U\}].

The infimum exists since 2 is a member of the set and 0 is a lower bound.

Note that whenever [tex: x \le y], we have [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A,N) < x\} \subseteq \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A,N) < y\}], which means [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A,N) < x\} \in U] implies [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A,N) < y\} \in U]. So not only does [tex: x < P(n \in A)] mean x is not a member of the set, but also [tex: x > P(n \in A)] means x is a member of the set (otherwise it would be a larger lower bound).

First let's show that our assignment agrees with [tex: \lim_{N \to \infty} F(A,N)] when the limit exists. Suppose the limit exists and equals L. For any x < L, there is an M such that N > M implies F(A,N) > x. This means [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A,N) < x\}] is finite and [tex: \notin U]. For any x > L, there is an M such that N > M implies F(A,N) < x. This means [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A,N) < x\}] is cofinite and [tex: \in U]. Thus [tex: L = P(n \in A)].

Next, finite additivity. If A and B are disjoint, we have [tex: F(A \cup B, N) = F(A,N) + F(B,N)]. For any [tex: \varepsilon > 0], we have [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A,N) < P(n \in A) - \varepsilon/2\} \notin U] and [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(B,N) < P(n \in B) - \varepsilon/2\} \notin U], so their union [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A,N) < P(n \in A) - \varepsilon/2 \lor F(B,N) < P(n \in B) - \varepsilon/2\} \notin U], and the subset [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A \cup B, N) < P(n \in A) + P(n \in B) - \varepsilon\} \notin U]. We also have [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A,N) < P(n \in A) + \varepsilon/2\} \in U] and [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(B,N) < P(n \in B) + \varepsilon/2\} \in U], so their intersection [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A,N) < P(n \in A) + \varepsilon/2 \land F(B,N) < P(n \in B) + \varepsilon/2\} \in U], and the superset [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A \cup B, N) < P(n \in A) + P(n \in B) + \varepsilon\} \in U]. Since [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A \cup B, N) < x} \notin U] when [tex: x < P(n \in A) + P(n \in B)] and [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | F(A \cup B, N) < x} \in U] when [tex: x > P(n \in A) + P(n \in B)], we conclude that [tex: P(n \in A) + P(n \in B) = P(n \in A \cup B)].
P26406 link reply
P26309
Even easier and better: Simply take the sequence F(A,1), F(A,2), F(A,3), ... and interpret it as a hyperreal number using the usual ultrapower construction. (More explicitly, the hyperreal we want is the equivalence class of that sequence.) Let [tex: P(n \in A)] be this hyperreal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreal_number#The_ultrapower_construction

Finite additivity is trivial because [tex: A \cap B = \varnothing] implies [tex: F(A \cup B, N) = F(A,N) + F(B,N)], and adding hyperreals is just adding the sequences.

When the limit [tex: L = \lim_{N\to\infty} F(A,N)] exists, given any positive integer n, [tex: \{N \in \mathbb{N} | L - 1/n < F(A,N) < L + 1/n\}] is cofinite, so we have [tex: L - 1/n < P(n \in A) < L + 1/n]. Thus the standard part of [tex: P(n \in A)] is L.

What's more, the probability of rolling any particular number is the same positive infinitesimal, namely the equivalence class of 1/1, 1/2, 1/3, ... .

Thread 1392 in /math/

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Have you studied any systems of logic other than classical logic? Have you found them useful?
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P24908
tell me more about the train boys
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P24908 tell me more about the saucepans
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P24909
I can't say it better than Tao does :
>One can roughly divide mathematical education into three stages:
>1. The “pre-rigorous” stage, in which mathematics is taught in an informal, intuitive manner, based on examples, fuzzy notions, and hand-waving. (For instance, calculus is usually first introduced in terms of slopes, areas, rates of change, and so forth.) The emphasis is more on computation than on theory. This stage generally lasts until the early undergraduate years.
>2. The “rigorous” stage, in which one is now taught that in order to do maths “properly”, one needs to work and think in a much more precise and formal manner (e.g. re-doing calculus by using epsilons and deltas all over the place). The emphasis is now primarily on theory; and one is expected to be able to comfortably manipulate abstract mathematical objects without focusing too much on what such objects actually “mean”. This stage usually occupies the later undergraduate and early graduate years.
>3. The “post-rigorous” stage, in which one has grown comfortable with all the rigorous foundations of one’s chosen field, and is now ready to revisit and refine one’s pre-rigorous intuition on the subject, but this time with the intuition solidly buttressed by rigorous theory. (For instance, in this stage one would be able to quickly and accurately perform computations in vector calculus by using analogies with scalar calculus, or informal and semi-rigorous use of infinitesimals, big-O notation, and so forth, and be able to convert all such calculations into a rigorous argument whenever required.) The emphasis is now on applications, intuition, and the “big picture”. This stage usually occupies the late graduate years and beyond.

Most textbooks that you see early on are aimed at students who are in the process of moving from stage 1 to stage 2, and that's why there's less emphasis on intuition compared to rigour.
Once you get past that point, there's more of an emphasis on intuition, but it's still intuition that can be translated into rigour.

As for me, I believe intuition is not necessarily founded on the evidence of the senses; the sense would soon become powerless; for example we can not represent to ourselves ourselves a chiliagon, and yet we reason by intuition on polygons in general, which include the chiliagon as a particular case.
Thus logic and intuition have each their necessary role. Each is indispensable. Logic, which alone can give certainty, is the instrument of demonstration; intuition is the intrument of invention.
In that regard, the point of rigour is not to destroy all intuition but rather to clarify and elevating it.

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P25185 link reply
The idea of alternative systems of logic that aren't equivalent to classical logic seemed weird to me at first. Surely the fundamental rules of reasoning can't be just arbitrary choices; one of those choices ought to be right and the others wrong. But I came to realize that having multiple systems of logic around can make sense because they allow you to reason about different types of propositions. The propositions of classical logic, for example, are true/false questions.

It is philosophically debatable whether a statement like "for any natural number n, blah blah blah" is a true/false question. It can be proven true by induction; for example, "for any natural number n, n + 3 = 3 + n" can be proven that way. And the statement "for any natural number n, n * n = n" can be proven false by exhibiting the counterexample 2. If one imagines that an infinity of natural numbers already exists in some sort of Platonic realm, then it makes sense for statements about all natural numbers to be true/false questions. But if we don't accept numbers as existing until we construct them, then it's not obvious that such statement have to be true or false. They can be found true by constructing a proof, or false by constructing a counterexample, but a statement needn't have either.

Regardless of what one thinks of the above philosophical question, the new kinds of propositions that intuitionists have invented for philosophical reasons have very practical uses. You might have heard a joke where someone answers a question like "is it raining or not?" with "yes." If one uses the meaning of "or" found in classical logic, "yes" is the correct answer, but the question is clearly not meant to be a true/false question. We can deal with these sort of propositions using intuitionistic logic. In intuitionistic logic, to construct a proof of "A or B," you have to prove either A or B, so you always know which one you've proven. So an intuitionistic proof of "for any natural numbers m and n, m < n or m >= n" guarantees us a method for deciding which of the two statements is true.
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With the invention of topos theory, a new sort of constructivism arose too. It was observed that any topos with a natural number object has an internal logic which is powerful enough to interpret most of mathematics, but that this logic in general fails to satisfy and excluded middle.
This means that even for a mathematician who likes to use choice and excluded middle (and a fortiori for one who believes them to be true), there is a reason to care about what can be proven without them, because only if a proof is constructive can it be interpreted in an arbitrary topos.
Even starting from a completely classical world of mathematics, many interesting toposes arise naturally whose internal logic is not classical logic. Then by internal reasoning in such a topos, one can prove various facts, which can then be reinterpreted as external statements about the behaviour of the topos itself.
By now, it is known that many of the non-classical axioms used by the early constructivists have natural models in particular toposes.

Thread 21171 in /math/

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Checkers_1800x1800.webp
You have an ordinary 8 × 8 chessboard with red and black squares. A genie gives you two “magic frames,” one 2 × 2 and one 3 × 3. When you place one of these frames neatly on the chessboard, the 4 or 9 squares they enclose instantly flip their colors.

Can you reach all [tex: 2^{64}] possible color configurations?
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checkers my dubs
P24115 link reply
When using a 3x3 frame, the parity of the number of red (or black) squares in a row (or a column) changes. When using a 2x2 frame, the parities stay the same. Therefore, in order to change a single square, one would need to put an odd number of 3x3 frames in one column and an even number in all others all the while putting and odd number in one row and an even number in all others. This isn't possible, as illustrated in the attachment.

To answer OP's question: no, it isn't possible to reach all [tex: 2^{64}] color placements
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P24115
Looks good, although the last step could be explained a bit better.
>one would need to put an odd number of 3x3 frames in one column and an even number in all others all the while putting and odd number in one row and an even number in all others This isn't possible, as illustrated in the attachment.

To show impossibility it suffices to show that we cannot satisfy even
>one would need to put an odd number of 3x3 frames in one column and an even number in all others

Suppose column 1 is the column we want to put an odd number of frames in. Then we can deduce that the number of 3x3 frames whose [bold: leftmost] column is in a given column must be as follows:

column 1: odd (to make the sum in column 1 odd)
column 2: odd (to make the sum in column 2 even)
column 3: even (to make the sum in column 3 even)
column 4: odd (to make the sum in column 4 even)
column 5: odd (to make the sum in column 5 even)
column 6: even (to make the sum in column 6 even)

But then the sum in column 7 is odd. Your GIF shows an example of this.
P24119 link reply
Another way to prove it: Note that every 2x2 and 3x3 grid contains an even number of squares colored green in pic attached. So flipping an odd number of green squares is impossible.

We can also approach the problem by noticing that patterns of squares on a chessboard form a vector space with the field of integers mod 2 as its scalars. Then the question is just whether the 2x2 and 3x3 grids form a generating system, which we can check algorithmically.
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>Checkers box

looks scrumptious! So scrumptious!

Thread 16336 in /math/

P16336 Math books link reply
Post interesting math books.

ONAG is about the Field of "surreal numbers" which adds to the real numbers a whole bunch of infinitely large and small numbers. It also talks about the game theory that inspired them (I found it helpful to skip forward and read some of this section first).
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What's tao*****?
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I forgot the cover image
P23682 link reply
homotopy type theory univalent foundations
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P23682
Type theory is pretty cool. I like to play around with proof assistants sometimes. I've read bits and pieces of the HoTT book, but haven't gone through it completely.

Anyone interested in reading through the HoTT book together like the threads on LADW and Jaynes?
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I would be interested :D I am trying to it too with agda. System of formal logic, such as type theory, try to transform expressions into a canonical form which then serves as the end result of a given computation. A formal system has canonicity if every expression reduces to canonical form. Adding axioms to type theory such as univalence can destroy canonicity, like we can obtain a term p : ([bold: 2] = [bold: 2]) correspondignly to the automorphism of the type [bold: 2] which switches [tex: 0_2] and [tex: 1_2]. Then the term transport([tex: p, 0_2]) alsa has type [bold: 2], but doesn't « compute » because the computer gets « stuck » on the univalence term.
As far as I know, the only computation of univalence is done using cubical type theory which extends type theory with a set of names [tex: \mathbb{I}], with points 0 and 1 and operations [tex: \vee], [tex: \wedge], and 1-r which behave like a de Morgan algebra.
Now there is ongoing implementation of cubical type theory in agda, but given that its semantic is quite different that what is introduced in the book I believe we should stick to the book first before looking for the computational issues.

Thread 23386 in /math/

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marbles.png
Marvin is playing a solitaire game with marbles. There are n bowls (for some positive integer n), and initially each bowl contains one marble. Each turn, Marvin may either

remove a marble from a bowl, or
choose a bowl A with at least one marble and a different bowl B with at least as many marbles as bowl A, and move one marble from bowl A to bowl B.

The game ends when there are no marbles left, but Marvin wants to make it last as long as possible. What is his optimal strategy?
P23449 link reply
> What is his optimal strategy?
Stick all the marbles up his mathematician ass?
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