Oh, but you've got to buy literally Google's brand of pixel phone with god knows what kind of firmare surveillance and backdoors. Tee-hee.

When phones actually have backdoors, they get discovered by the global community of researchers. This happened with Huawei and other chink brands. The fact that no backdoors have been discovered in the firmware of Pixel phones yet despite their popularity is the proof that there aren't any. Same with the Intel ME-me, by the way. If you don't like it, call on other manufacturers to implement the same hardware security that Pixel phones have. GrapheneOS's standards are right here: https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

TL;DR: Take your meds, freetard.

>The fact that no backdoors have been discovered in the firmware of Pixel phones yet despite their popularity is the proof that there aren't any.

That holds up to scrutiny. Like, before every backdoor gets publicized, people don't know about it, therefore there isn't a backdoor. And like, no one's censoring internet publications by DDOSing them and making up charges to arrest them when they expose things.

Hurr durr durr.

Are these the same reseachers that recommend buying Google phones to de-google your phone?

>When phones actually have backdoors, they get discovered by the global community of researchers. This happened with Huawei and other chink brands.

Interesting, because Chinese law requires phones to have backdoors and they sell Apple phones (of which most of the parts are produced and assembled in China and totally not China/Taiwan, an internationally legally recognized province of China where Chinese people live whose economy is entirely interconnected with and dependent on China.)

How did Apple fool China into letting people buy Apple phones when they don't have a backdoor for the Chinese government? They really are genuises at the Apple store!

>call on other manufacturers to implement the same hardware security that Pixel phones have

You mean manufacturers in China, which are legally required to put backdoors in phones? That's a GOOD IDEA!

>Chinese law requires phones to have backdoors
that's not true

P105551

really? but chinese phones are burner phones they are dirt cheap...

P105552

saucepan phones are better because they are made by the locals. You need to support your own 'heritage'

WTF is a saucepan phone and what does it have to do with my heritage

freetard complains that the one company to actually open source their OS and updates is secretly bad without any proof. boring.

the USA requires a backdoor for telecommunication devices sold in the USA too.

It's called CALEA law.

If it's sold in the USA legally, it's bugged, whether or not "researchers" have identified the bug, which just causes Federal agencies to attack them because they're too lazy to do street work to find and prosecute criminals and because enemy nation's intelligence agencies want backdoors to surveil everyone in the USA easily.

You can get a fairphone and install calyxos.org

Don't use CalyxOS or GrapheneOS, use Replicant instead or better yet just don't use (((smart))) phones (best decision).
https://www.replicant.us

P105592
Does CALEA cover end user devices like phones?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act

P105689

this really gets me what options are there besides google pixel phones
should one just get stock android and root it and change things like remove gaps and add microg but how do you close the bootloader after rooting?

>GrapheneOS

tfw vaxxbros create a ROM for a backdoored phone the thread

P105732
seriosly why did they name it *Graphene* was it released before pre-covid or post-covid bioweapon?

P105757
backdoors from clotshots and fake phones fr fr bussin dawg

P105486

this thread is almost as bad as disp-vm fags about how Qubes is so great cap

P105714
Microg is a big *****ing cope for cucks who wants privacy but still wants to use Jewgle services. Locking the bootloader is really only important if device tampering is a part your threat model.

Shit like
P106000
Is why you don’t *****ing ask for tech advice on a *****ing chan anonymous forum. Unless you not only already know and can explain the answer as an expert yourself, you will get led astray.

P106000
Device tampering is part of 98% of phone user's threat models, rest are using their phone without service and as a glorified tablet or are using a musl+Linux phone and have no real security to speak of (and half the features don't work anyway, or are missing on those "smart"phones).

It's almost as if if you want to use devices that aren't backdoored you have to create problems for all the people trying to make it so there's a backdoor in all the devices until they stop, and that you can't dodge mass surveillance with personal consumer choices when there's a group that can print money for itself to pay as many people as necessary to bug everything.

P106406


yeah capitalism is gay

P106400
The majority of people bring their phones with them all of the time and you aren't some journalist or dissident that is being targeted by some 0 click exploit created by the NSO. If you are so scared about someone installing malware on your phone using TWRP then stick to your graphene and botnet vendor roms.

I come back and see this thread is still alive for some reason.

P105489
>That holds up to scrutiny. Like, before every backdoor gets publicized, people don't know about it, therefore there isn't a backdoor.
No, a bunch of freetards with an ideological (false) sense of what cybersecurity is beat the war drums about backdoors for years, even over a decade in the case of the Intel MEme, and they don't find one single backdoor, therefore there isn't a backdoor.
>no one's censoring internet publications by DDOSing them and making up charges to arrest them when they expose things.
Something of as much interest as a published backdoor in one of the world's most used smartphones would be archived by someone and posted elsewhere so fast that censoring "internet publications" alone wouldn't work. Is it so hard for a freetard to think things through before they speak?
>Are these the same reseachers that recommend buying Google phones to de-google your phone?
The same that actually audit software instead of blindly trusting muh open sores = sekur and closed sores = no sekur? There's overlap, yes.

P105490
>How did Apple fool China into letting people buy Apple phones when they don't have a backdoor for the Chinese government?
Because Apple censors for China. They remove apps from the App Store in China (the only way you can get apps on an iDevice there) that they don't like, and they removed AirDrop functionality when protesters were using it to spread information they didn't like. Also, Google Pixels (what OP thinks has backdoors) aren't sold in China, so this isn't relevant.

P105676
>t. freetard who was probably memed by actual glow*****s into thinking his librebooted thinkpad and meme OS are perfectly secure

P105681
>get a fairphone and install calyxos.org
The same FairPhone that doesn't deliver on firmware security updates and the same CalyxOS that regularly gets behind stock on OS security updates? Can freetards even bother to read about the shit they recommend before they recommend it for once?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30930098

P105757
>seriosly why did they name it *Graphene* was it released before pre-covid or post-covid bioweapon?
It was originally named CopperheadOS but then a certain faggot who worked with Daniel Micay decided to do sus shit with the original project, which prompted Micay to nuke the signing keys for updates, effectively killing the project until it was revived as GrapheneOS in 2019. That same faggot now scams people by selling a bootleg reskin of GrapheneOS under the name CopperheadOS.

P106000
>Locking the bootloader is really only important if device tampering is a part your threat model.
The main point of locking the bootloader is to prevent malware persistence, you chuckle*****. Thwarting some types of device tampering is just a secondary benefit.
https://source.android.com/docs/security/features/verifiedboot

P106003
This.

P106400
Also this.

P106479
>you aren't some journalist or dissident that is being targeted by some 0 click exploit created by the NSO.
Likewise, you aren't some high-ranking politician or military official, so you aren't going to be targeted by the mysterious unknown glow***** super-backdoor that no one on the planet can discover in the Intel MEme or Pixel firmware either. So, any points for whatever meme hardware you'd recommend go out the window before the points for Pixels with GrapheneOS do.

P105486
How much were the devs paid by Pfizer to name it "Graphene"?

P106533
>until it was revived as GrapheneOS in 2019.
cohencidently right before the pandemic which rolled out graphene technology.

I was looking at building a ASOP rom that would be shrinked down to the lowest size possible.
Then cleaning GAPS n shiet and testing it out on different models of phones other then (((Google Pixel)))

P107687
>schizo ramblings
Graphene just refers to an allotrope of carbon.
Let me explain your insanity back to you. Schizos saw something about "graphene oxide" being used to test vaccines and thought it was actually in the vaccine and now imagine all sorts of things. A bunch of software developers are supposed to somehow know about what Pfizer is doing in a completely unrelated field to theirs? It's just a WORD, schizoboomer. Go back to listening to AM radio if you think this is significant.
People got hurt by the vaccine dancing around their vascular system when Pfizer said it totally wouldn't leave the injection site. Some of the vaccine's contents made it to the heart in some people's bodies, where some of the cells cannot regenerate, which then causes myocarditis or pericarditis. The cells get killed and your life is ruined from there on out.
>Then cleaning GAPS n shiet and testing it out on different models of phones other then (((Google Pixel)))
The reason why they chose Google is because they're the only ones who bothered to make a secure enough phone, probably to catch up to Apple (the entire line of Pixels look like some weird iPhone-ish imitation, in their promotional material and design).
Who are you going to trust? Some chinkshit that has been insecure from day 1? Koreans (Samsung) with nonstandard charging and bundled bloatware? They don't have a lot of good choices.

P107687
>I was looking at building a ASOP rom that would be shrinked down to the lowest size possible.
>Then cleaning GAPS n shiet and testing it out on different models of phones other then (((Google Pixel)))
You should actually do that. Every phone has different hardware, different kernel patches, different devicetrees. You'll find out why every 3rd party android project gives up trying to support samsung/huawei/sony/etc. and just standardize on pixel.

>use dumbphone and take out the battery all the time and put it in only when you need to call someone (rare)
glow*****s can ***** off

google pixel is fine and has state of the art hypervisors. the backdoor can be removed just like with ime /psp then you're goochi

>>P108826

You can't remove the battery on smartphones easily anymore.

Instead you need something that blocks the signal.

Turn off the phone first, or it will drain the battery rapidly trying to send a transmission and failing, increasing its transmission power to maximum.

They sell RFID blocking wallets for phones, RFID car keys and cards, which should work to stop phone transmissions too.

What makes your social credit score go down more? Going to a place were poor people shop or having your phone disappear from the telecom grid periodically? Probably letting phone companies see where you shop, live, go to school, etc..

P108889
>Turn off the phone first, or it will drain the battery rapidly trying to send a transmission and failing
If turning off the phone stops the transmissions then why do you need to do anything else.

>The reason why they chose Google is because they're the only ones who bothered to make a secure enough phone, probably to catch up to Apple

Apple and google phones are so secure! Like, they only have a few hundred to thousand known historical exploits! Like, you can't just read their patch lists for security updates to see how many times their security was lacking and they only discovered the problem after thousands of people's phones got hacked.

It's impossible to plug security holes when your engineers keep making new ones!

Haven't you ever spoken to the security experts that run hacking operations on the side for income?

YOU CAN'T SECURE COMPUTERS! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE! THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS, even though it's hypothetically very easy to just deny transmissions to your device the ability to hijack it through memory isolation and well defined permitted operations.

Apple and Google are doing a really good job securing their devices! They only have a few thousand exploits and vulnerabilities in the past 20 years!

wow, imbecilic post from this numbskull

P108891
>Like, they only have a few hundred to thousand known historical exploits!
Why do you think software vulnerabilities matter when the whole point of the thread is to replace the software.

>>P108904

>Why do you think software vulnerabilities matter when the whole point of the thread is to replace the software.

I don't think only software vulnerabilities matter.

And I'm crticizing it because they're literally telling everyone to give money to google, the company that everyone is trying to avoid.

Like, I don't throw money at adversarial companies I want to disappear. And I don't think the solution to google spying on everyone is to give them more money to spy on everyone by buying their phone. And I question the motives behind the people that keep putting these ass backwards solutions up that are actually ironic and come off to me as a kind of insult to my intelligence.

"Want to avoid company X? The solution is to buy X's product!"

How do you not realize they're *****ing with you and the entire privacy and security audience?

these posts remind me of patch P108891 P108893

Serious is there any other ROM other then Graphene that is worth daily driving in $CURRENT_YEAR ?

Its seems like you have no choices just like with the other Graphene options (Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson)

P108918
***** off coon quit bringing up that cancer patch or BRK its like bringing up Jamie K. Muller (we all know they are *****s that should be killed)

P108917
>How do you not realize they're *****ing with you and the entire privacy and security audience?
Kind of like how shills shill Matrix when it was created by AMDOCS an Israeli phone company that spied on burgers (You can't make this shit up). People blindly shill it just like centralized servers Signal and Encryption turned off by default Telegram

>Kind of like how shills shill Matrix
This never made sense to me why privacy shills shill its use, even Monero bros use it wtf?
I get that it haz E2E group chats but it all is stored centrally even if you self host a server like red flag uh hello.
There is some saying about store now decrypt it later when they get ability to.

Signal is way to centralized for my taste also idc if some jewish *****mer with glasses (Jonah) from techlore uses it tbf.

P108917
>I don't think only software vulnerabilities matter.
What was the last hardware vulnerability in a pixel phone?

>they're literally telling everyone to give money to google
Nobody said you had to buy a new phone.

>I don't think the solution to google spying on everyone is to give them more money to spy on everyone by buying their phone
Boycotting google won't work for the same reason boycotting disney doesn't work. As long as these companies are useful to the ruling class they will get all the "investment" they need straight from the money printers.

>I question the motives behind the people that keep putting these ass backwards solutions up
You don't understand because you've never tried compiling AOSP from source. Try it.

P108826
Have you checked for a second battery in your phone?

P113453
yeah i did and it started to have a baby

P109495
Suprising google hardware is one of the few things that is actually ok imo
t. Chromebooks firmware built of coreboot, and easily can be flashed internally with coreboot without the google blobs

P113453
Most do have a CMOS even dumby phones too

P113465
No they dont they store it in memory and use NTP when they connect to cell network if the memory has been cleared

P113465
Adding a second battery would be a waste of money from the manufacturer's point of view. The time is also saved to permanent storage so if you take the battery out and put it back in you will still have more or less the correct time. If you leave it out for a few days then the clock will be way off. NTP will only work over wifi in that case, I don't think you can get a cellular connection with a bad clock.

P113799
hmmm well then why if i turn on airplane mode and take the battery out of my 2023 dumbphone for more then 24 hrs it will think the time is the manufactered date in December?

P113947
Just don't connect your wallet when on airplane mode on JetBlue

https://m.reddit.com/r/ExodusWallet/comments/1b5312g/exodus_compromised_on_airplane_wifi/

P115223
you can just use bluetooth instead

P115223
That wallet is closed source what do XRP b**mers expect lol

***** i hate these soy wigger dipshit faggots so much, including the reddit link and this exodus shit

>https://www.exodus.com/support/en/articles/8598678-is-exodus-open-source
>Open-sourcing all aspects of a product (including the design and user interface elements) makes it very easy for others to copy.

no it's actually really easy but most people dont want to commit their life to creating web shit to suck off shit for brains customers who like waiting 10 seconds for a button click

>This makes it easier for hackers to make fake, malicious, phishing versions of Exodus. Hackers post these fake versions in an attempt to steal your private information and crypto.
this makes me want to make every single possible false version of exodus and keep them well maintained
one that steals your money
3 that are legitimate but rebranded
one that has full nodes for every chain

https://github.com/exodusmovement
what *****ing movement?? you are a soyjak sipping coffee at starbucks and have never touched any tech that matters. you're equivalent to some dipshit who hosts a blog with ads, wow you really beat the man

Open source designs manufactured by competing companies would make production industry more resilient because they'd have backup products to manufacture when they don't have a patent for something.

But, if you do this in an "open society", then China's just going to rip your shit, sabotage your economy with foreign agents paid with Chinese imports, and destroy your industrial sector.

You've got to lock down your communications, borders, and engineers before you can make a rapid technological advancement scheme work without it blowing up in your face and getting invaded, because there are bad nations that want to kill you and take your shit and giving away all your tech helps them do that.

Most plans for a civilization fall apart when you have an open society, because you're basically introducing externalities you can't control and which are sometimes hostile and plotting against your civilization.

If you make something a crime, the crime element can just move just outside your borders in an open society and keep running.

If you make an economic plan, because your markets and currency are connected to other states through unrestricted trade and currency exchanges, they'll ***** it up.

If you make a eugenics plan, if your borders are open criminal filth and genetically incompatible species will flood in and wreck it, countries will export their criminal trash to your country.

And if you were to say the entire world is your jurisdiction and started enforcing your laws everywhere, you'd get "nuked from orbit" because that means you're a threat to ETs that have seen enough primitives coming off planets trying to take over the universe to know when they're going to be a bigger problem if allowed to live. The "globalists" and their offspring have to be culled, or YOU'RE not going to become a space faring anything because you were trafficking invasive primitive deranged evil trash into space. The tech sharing across species itself is a crime across the universe specifically because you are 10,000% responsible for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING another species ever does or plans to do with the tech you provided them. The "global tech initiatives" means mankind has made a lot of *****ing enemies across the universe, already, before they even colonized a single new planet.

You've been giving space tech to *****ing Arabs and invasive species Han. Every bloodline involved with those exchanges has to be killed before your space faring plans are going to work, because they're on ET watchlists as invasive hazards.

There are different interests with different expectations. Making up for your crimes against the nation is one thing, avoiding getting ships full of people blown to bits by ETs is another thing entirely. Most of the tech proliferators are doomed racial hybrids that will almost certainly die out on their own in 500 years, so there's that. But it means the space race should be postponed unless their offspring aren't kept off ships. I think the Han will be stopped by ETs for the next thousand years at least, their behavior defects checked off basically every red flag the ETs have besides spreading from planet to planet through spores.

>Every bloodline involved with those exchanges has to be killed before your space faring plans are going to work, because they're on ET watchlists as invasive hazards.
White bloodlines should be killed first for inslaving people and spreading capitalism.

P108891
There are more vulnerabilities because people are actually going to look for them. Nobody is looking for vulnerabilities on a discontinued device, a chinese phone, or a Pinephone, because they don't matter and are insecure to begin with. The last of which is actually completely vulnerable because it's developer kit nonsense, and I'm going to assume (because free software developers constantly do this) that all the distros shipped lack a permissions system comparable to Android or any security mitigations beyond what they do on desktop Linux distros, and the whole thing is easily compromised by an enterprising *****ager. Having software vulnerabilities doesn't mean you're immediately compromised, some aren't easily exploited or were fixed in GrapheneOS.
So we've established there is zero competition on making a secure phone beyond Google and Apple competing with each other. Basically your choice is to not use phones at all or use a Google phone because there are no secure alternatives for Android. You can try to use a Pinephone or whatever but it's cheap shit that dies when it falls into a puddle and isn't actually secure to the standard people expect because all the software is alpha quality or just run of the mill musl/toybox/etc or GNU stuff with no real equivalent to the security models of Android and iOS. Thats why GrapheneOS is on Google phones. Make a secure phone if you don't like it, because they have no other options right now.

P108893
>Haven't you ever spoken to the security experts that run hacking operations on the side for income?
And what did they say?
>YOU CAN'T SECURE COMPUTERS! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
Well I dunno, I can't just read out people's payment info anymore when the packets go by because people don't send it with TLS's really vulnerable predecessor or in plaintext anymore, I have to exploit the CA hierarchy or find a vulnerability in some specific software. Looks like computers got slightly more secure in some way, doesn't it?

P108917
Do you have a working exploit for the latest Titan security chip or not?

P116877
>some aren't easily exploited or were fixed in GrapheneOS.
Does it even still get security updates?

>Do you have a working exploit for the latest Titan security chip or not?
Like the ones on Titan missle systems?

P116877
>w-we have HTTPS everywhere now, i-it only took 28 years
shut the ***** up boomer