Is there any real reason to use desktop Linux besides being a hipster faggot? I get using it if you work in industry because you have no choice, but I just don't see any upside to using such a shitty operating system as a daily driver. It's less secure than Windows or macOS, leagues less secure than iOS or Android, less convenient and breaks more than any of those operating systems, isn't as useful for as many real-world things (try getting certain games to run or certain programs you need for work lol), and is all around a worse operating system in every way than more mainstream choices.
>muh freeeeeeedumbzzzzzzzz
Freedom to what? Except for on iOS, nothing restricts you from programming or developing for other operating systems to get them to do what you want. It's just easier for lazier people to do on Linux.
>muh truuuuuuuuuuuust
The Linux kernel has tens of millions of lines of code. You didn't read and understand all of it. It has just as much potential to be backdoored as any other OS.

Please, enlighten me.

What is the purpose of this retarded thread?

P76187
To see why anyone would genuinely prefer Linux over other operating systems.

P76186
>Complaint about Linux being more difficult.
>It's just easier ... to do on Linux.
I believe you have answered your own question.

> Less secure
How?

>muh trust
Linux has significantly less telemetry, to the point that I can reasonably assume that my daily habits are not being reported to some company.

I jumped ship from Windows 10 to Linux mint on a pretty light laptop since I knew all the bloatware would have totally destroyed it if I "upgraded" it to Windows 11.

Linux is not THAT stupid. Wine can run some of the simpler programs, albeit usually badly. Even then, running an emulator with in Linux is supposed to work.

P76202
>Wine can run some of the simpler programs, albeit usually badly.
The only programs that don't have superior open source alternatives are video games. And you should have a separate PC for games anyway because half the shit you torrent is probably malware.

P76186
>asking a darknet imageboard what motivates people to run an OS they fully control and is not backdoored by the government/law enforcement
My sweet summer ***** you'll figure it out one day.

P76217
>you should have a separate PC for games anyway because half the shit you torrent is probably malware.
Including the Windows ISO lol.

P76193
>How?
On iOS and Android, Evil Maid Attacks and malware persistence are far more difficult due to verified boot, and applications can't read and write to all of each other's files by default, to name a few ways that mobile operating systems are more secure.

>Linux has significantly less telemetry, to the point that I can reasonably assume that my daily habits are not being reported to some company.
The telemetry in other operating systems can be easily disabled in their settings.

P76202
>I knew all the bloatware would have totally destroyed it if I "upgraded" it to Windows 11.
Most people don't hold onto and use hardware from 2006 as their daily driver.

>Wine can run some of the simpler programs, albeit usually badly.
Why would I want to use an operating system that runs simple programs badly?

P76217
>run an OS they fully control and is not backdoored by the government/law enforcement
Look up the underhanded C contest. If you think the government is backdooring operating systems, and you think an open-source operating system with tens of millions of lines of code is completely safe from being backdoored, you are a fool. Any one of the dozens of security vulnerabilities discovered in the Linux kernel every month could be a backdoor and we wouldn't know for certain.

P76308
>to name a few ways that mobile operating systems are more secure.
Android is Linux, you can emulate any feature it has. In fact, people do emulate such sandboxing features on desktop Linux. And even more if you are willing to check out specifically security focused distributions/setups.
Furthermore, a good portion of mobile security depends on "trusted environments" such as soldered-on security chips. In the case of those you are trading away resistance to large-scale attackers for resistance to small-scale attackers.

>The telemetry in other operating systems can be easily disabled in their settings.
Only people who haven't tried doing that say this. Anyone trying to disable Windows telemetry knows that it's a giant game of whack-a-mole. At best you can disable connection to [bold: third party websites]. But connections to Microsoft's servers will be going out every second regardless of what registry you are changing. Anyone can look this up on youtube, get a fresh Windows 10/11 install, do nothing, capture the resulting network traffic.
And God knows what kind of additional information Microsoft is sending out, mixed in, when there is genuine network activity going on.

>If you think the government is backdooring operating systems, and you think an open-source operating system with tens of millions of lines of code is completely safe from being backdoored, you are a fool.
<you see there are two traps
<you proceed to fall into the more dangerous one
You might as well go back to Reddit at this point. Critiques that apply to Linux (and Windows) do not make Windows more secure at all.

P76308
Why are you even comparing iOS and Android to desktop OSs? My calculator's OS is perfectly secure too.
>The telemetry in other operating systems can be easily disabled in their settings.
My last experience administering a w*ndows machine was several years ago, so I hope they fixed that. Back then, good *****ing luck disabling automatic updates.

>Most people don't hold onto and use hardware from 2006 as their daily driver.
They should though. The reason most people give for upgrading their hardware isn't "it broke", or even "it doesn't support X which I really need", it's "it has become slow"
>Why would I want to use an operating system that runs simple programs badly?
You don't, obviously. [spoiler:so don't use w*ndows]

P76308
>On iOS and Android, Evil Maid Attacks and malware persistence are far more difficult due to verified boot, and applications can't read and write to all of each other's files by default, to name a few ways that mobile operating systems are more secure.

The phoneposter trying to justify using a computer phone over a laptop.
>muh evil maid attacks
yeah thats why android and iphones continue to get infected
>https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/12/exploit-used-in-mass-iphone-infection-campaign-targeted-secret-hardware-feature/

Also always being connected to your account sounds like a good thing
>icloud or google account to use phone

P76317
>Android is Linux, you can emulate any feature it has.
This is like responding to someone saying Firefox is more secure than Netscape by saying "Firefox is Netscape." Partially correct, but that doesn't mean anyone actually does or even 0.1% of desktop Linux users have the required time, energy, and knowledge to do so adequately.
>In fact, people do emulate such sandboxing features on desktop Linux.
Not all sandboxes are equal. Your shitty implementation of firejail is not anywhere near as Android's full-system SELinux policies.
>specifically security focused distributions/setups.
https://isopenbsdsecu.re
>a good portion of mobile security depends on "trusted environments" such as soldered-on security chips.
Thanks for making a part of my argument for me. These environments don't exist in any relevant capacity on Linux.
>In the case of those you are trading away resistance to large-scale attackers for resistance to small-scale attackers.
No, you aren't. At worst, you're just as vulnerable to large-scale attackers as you are without them. Google's Titan M2 security chip has insider attack resistance.

>Only people who haven't tried doing that say this.
Only people who get their information from free software evangelists say this.
>But connections to Microsoft's servers will be going out every second regardless of what registry you are changing.
It isn't connecting to Microsoft's servers to send your data to them if you disabled the telemetry in the settings. Use a root certificate and watch what it's actually sending to those servers if you don't believe me.
>And God knows what kind of additional information Microsoft is sending out, mixed in, when there is genuine network activity going on.
The worst thing Windows does when you have telemetry disabled is that the settings occasionally get reset to default after system updates. It's nothing that you can't stay on top of.

><you proceed to fall into the more dangerous one
>Critiques that apply to Linux (and Windows) do not make Windows more secure at all.
What you are replying to, I said in response to someone claiming Linux is better than other operating systems because it can't be backdoored, which is blatantly false. You should be saying "Critiques that apply to Windows (and Linux) do not make Linux more secure at all."
>go back to Reddit
Imageboards aren't your hugbox. If your first reaction to having your opinions challenged is to tell someone to go somewhere else, then it's you who should be going back to Reddit.

P76323
>Back then, good *****ing luck disabling automatic updates.
Automatic updates aren't telemetry.

>They should though.
A lot of things should be that aren't. That's just how the world works. If you hold onto hardware that's more than 15 years old, you're an outlier. What reason do the other 99.99% of people on the planet have to use Linux?

I still see no relevant reason to use Linux over other operating systems.

P76330
>Automatic updates aren't telemetry.

site*.fag intext:"this is going nowhere"

P76329
>yeah thats why android and iphones continue to get infected
No operating system is absolutely invulnerable. That's not the point. Android and iOS are still leagues more secure than any desktop Linux distribution because of their various security features.
>https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/12/exploit-used-in-mass-iphone-infection-campaign-targeted-secret-hardware-feature/
I can look up news articles on Linux being exploited and paste links here too.

>Also always being connected to your account sounds like a good thing
>>icloud or google account to use phone
Neither Windows nor Android require you to have an account to use them.

P76335
>I can look up news articles on Linux being exploited and paste links here too.
gee wiz my goy keep baiting off more about justifying your phone aids

>Neither Windows nor Android require you to have an account to use them.
Justifying using a pixel can't remove battery phone and muh windows to play gay little gaymes with gay little girls

P76337
I don't see any arguments in favor of using Linux in this post.

bait poster sages on post as they realize it was waste of time

P76330
I think at this point I have the full right to call you a retard.
You have mental retardation or some condition along those lines. This level of strawmanning is only possible under some sort of serious neurological problem.
>sandboxing
<FiReJaIL
>security focused distributions (hint: means OSes people talk about here)
<OpEnBSd
>trusted environments require TRUST in SOMEONE
<ACHKTUALLY
>only free software evangelists say this
*****, there are multi-hour guides of "removing Windows spyware"
>Use a root certificate and watch what it's actually sending to those servers if you don't believe me.
I've already said this, YouTube. But to the surprise of noone, I have to spoonfeed you like a toddler. ffs Search up "Windows telemetry with Wireshark".
>Windows manually re-enables settings
<It's nothing that you can't stay on top of.
>What you are replying to
Ooops, I didn't know you have the mental capacity of a 9yo. Let's break it down. "traps" represent way in which OSes can be backdoored.
OSes can either be backdoored with explicit permission and cooperation. Or they can be backdoored without the other party knowing it (by finding and exploiting an unfixed bug). Both Windows and Linux are susceptible to the second kind of attack. Whether or not Linux is audited or not is irrelevant to the question of whether or not it (and Windows) can get backdoored this way. Both are massive codebases. Both can have exploits.
However, Linux does avoid the first kind of attack. There is no explicit cooperation like we saw with PRISM. But Windows does have it. Ergo the comparison, there are two ways an OS can be backdoored, you correctly saw that Linux has one, but failed to see that Windows has both.
>Imageboards aren't your hugbox.
It wasn't an insult, but genuine advice. For you to be on an onion imageboard of all places, trying to convince people with high OPSEC profiles (meaning, try to guess, [spoiler: using proprietary OS made by a Big Tech company that actively collaborates with the NSA is out of the question])

P76346
Good job wasting your time replying to my bait

In closing
> <OpEnBSd
its a meme and none uses it for desktop u w*gger

>Good job wasting your time replying to my bait
No problem m80

P76346
>This level of strawmanning is only possible under some sort of serious neurological problem.

its called being a redditor or esl wordsalad gone sus

P76346
>I think at this point I have the full right to call you a retard.
I think at this point I have the full right to call you a butthurt fanboy.
><FiReJaIL
That's what many Linux users recommend for sandboxing, and other recommendations are usually just as bad. I pointed out that it wasn't nearly as secure as Android's full-system SELinux policies. It's not a strawman if it's what a lot of people of your ilk think and you don't explicitly state otherwise.
><OpEnBSd
That's a distributions that it shilled a lot here. It's not a strawman if it's what I can reasonably expect someone to mention and you don't explicitly state what you're actually talking about.
><ACHKTUALLY
You trust the operating system you're using with or without a trusted environment. You didn't point out any downside to using one.
>*****, there are multi-hour guides of "removing Windows spyware"
By free software evangelists that don't know what spyware means.
>Search up "Windows telemetry with Wireshark".
There's a difference between connecting to a server and sending anything privacy-invasive to that server.
>Both Windows and Linux are susceptible to the second kind of attack.
Case closed, then. There are dozens of security vulnerabilities discovered in the Linux kernel every month. Many security vulnerabilities stay for years, even decades without being discovered. The government has definitely known about some of these before the public has. When you can hold onto 0days for that long, it's just as good as having backdoors with explicit permission.
>Linux does avoid the first kind of attack.
Even if we assumed that was true, it's to no effect. Backdoors that you can hold onto for years are backdoors that you can hold onto for years.
>There is no explicit cooperation like we saw with PRISM. But Windows does have it.
Linus Torvalds was once asked if he was ever approached by the NSA to put a backdoor in the Linux kernel. He said "no" while nodding yes. You don't have access to classified documents. You don't know this.
>there are two ways an OS can be backdoored, you correctly saw that Linux has one, but failed to see that Windows has both.
And you failed to see that it doesn't make a practical difference.
>using proprietary OS
Android isn't proprietary. Instead of arguing the main points of my thread, you're focusing on a single comparison from a single point, that being Windows being more secure than Linux, doing it badly, and then getting mad at me when I don't see why Linux should be the operating system everyone uses. Calm down, read what I'm saying, and stop being hipster fanboy. If that's not possible for you, feel free to go back to r/linux.

P76348
>He disagrees with me, it must be bait!
Soy.

>By free software evangelists that don't know what spyware means.

ok move this to r/trans for ffs the bait at this point is obvious

Don't use Linux. It's not for you. Neither is [bold:Solaris].

P76359
>Full system SELinux
As the name implies, SELinux is for Linux. As in, non-Google distros run it too. Fedora uses it by default, for example. Gentoo and Arch can as well.
Also, have you seen Qubes? SELinux is like a bad joke compared to that.

>OpenBSD is a distribution that's shilled a lot here.
Irrelevant, not Linux.

>Backdoors that you can hold onto for years are backdoors that you can hold onto for years.
What you miss is that this applies to Windows as well. Unlike with Linux, decisions about what to put into the kernel, and what is already in the kernel, is hidden from the user. 0 days are almost as easy to find on Windows, but only Microsoft can fix them. If you are part of the alphabet soup, then you may more readily hold on to 0 days for Windows, since that is what most people use.

>There's a difference between connecting to a server and sending anything privacy-invasive to that server.
You are aware that connections need not be sending the contents of your files, or the minute-by-minute breakdown of what you are doing, in order to be a privacy risk, correct?

P76362
P76364
>Disagreement is bait
Soy overdose.

I forgot to mention:
P76346
>people with high OPSEC profiles
I can assure you the NSA has bigger fish to fry than some nobody on an onion imageboard with a loli collection. And if they didn't, simply switching operating systems wouldn't be enough to protect you.

P76372
i use my phone to use onions but there really is no point of using onions
as they dont provide u any real security then just using clearnet with tor

P76368
>Fedora uses it by default, for example.
Having it enabled isn't using it. It's isn't enforced for all applications by default, let alone with strict policies, like it is on Android. Even if you do set it up to be like Android (be prepared for a lot of your applications to break as much of the Linux app ecosystem isn't designed to be sandboxed in this way), that's just one exploit mitigation. You'd still be far behind Android overall.
>have you seen Qubes?
It's not a Linux distribution. It's only good for compartmentalization. It doesn't do anything to secure the operating systems running within the VMs.

>What you miss is that this applies to Windows as well.
Are you illiterate? I admitted it applies to Windows from the beginning. I only said it applies to Linux too in response to faggots who thought Linux couldn't be backdoored. From P76308:
>>run an OS they fully control and is not backdoored by the government/law enforcement
>Look up the underhanded C contest. If you think the government is backdooring operating systems, and you think an open-source operating system with tens of millions of lines of code is completely safe from being backdoored, you are a fool. Any one of the dozens of security vulnerabilities discovered in the Linux kernel every month could be a backdoor and we wouldn't know for certain.
From the OP:
>>muh truuuuuuuuuuuust
>The Linux kernel has tens of millions of lines of code. You didn't read and understand all of it. It has just as much potential to be backdoored as any other OS.
I didn't miss anything, you did.
>you may more readily hold on to 0 days for Windows, since that is what most people use.
You don't need to be able to hold onto that many for years to be able to reliably compromise anyone using a certain operating system. Beyond a certain point, there's no practical difference.

>You are aware that connections need not be sending the contents of your files, or the minute-by-minute breakdown of what you are doing, in order to be a privacy risk, correct?
I am aware. They can be sending metadata about these things, but with telemetry disabled in the settings, Windows does neither.

Don't bother reasoning with these people. They're basement dwellers who don't have to use a computer for work or anything actually productive. The only thing they need "privacy" for is for their rants about >DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ and their *****philic tendencies.

P76379
It's also clear that some people are shills for proprietary software, and are willing to turn a blind eye to clear violations of their rights (including privacy).

P76379
hold up let me log outa my 6 gorillion different accounts
>already did the bait posts
>ok let me pretend to be a redditor
oh wait i do have experience with it so it comes easy when u don't have to fake it to make it

P76186
>The Linux kernel has tens of millions of lines of code. You didn't read and understand all of it. It has just as much potential to be backdoored as any other OS.

Ok then let's see how the Hurd fares.

> Language files blank comment code
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> C 936 36591 39071 163926
> C/C++ Header 644 14177 22437 53881

The conclusion is clear OP. We must all join the Hurd.

P76308
>linux has bugs therefor it's not secure
If I use linux then law enforcement has to find a vulnerability and write an exploit for my specific linux system and somehow deliver it to me.

If I use windows then law enforcement only needs to push fbi.exe through windows update and I am pwned.

Don't be a faggot who says "ackshually there's no such thing as 100% security". There is such a thing as terrible vs good. And you are the fool if you pick terrible just because good is not 100%.

P76571
just ignore it its another bait thread they posted inbetween logging in and out of their reddit acount

P76437
link no work?

P76571
I was talking with someone the other day, and the hospital system he worked on got ransome ware'd. Yes, they ran it on Windows. That shit would never work on Linux.

If something breaks, you are at the mercy of Microsoft to fix it when they damn well please. Windows has a short lifespan, and once it's over nuts to you. You can run Linux on stuff from 20 years ago. And it's still functional.

Viruses, keyloggers, search hijacking, virus definitions, and ransome ware don't happen on Linux in actual practice.

Worrying about open ports and firewalls isn't really a thing on Linux, either.

The last 3 paragraphs apply to desktop.

P76624
everytime i went to the hospital for my meds i would look at the computer in each room and it was running windows and i swear it looked like windows 8 enterprise not 10 or 11 even

P76571
Linux is a MEME quit lying to yourself dumbass and believinng the circle jerk about fee software.
Besides being a hipster your not special in anyway and linux DOES reek of vulns and cve's everywhere on EVERY single distro.
Your not anymore safe by using it and would be better of using MacOS as its a better middle ground of being a hipster and not using windows.

P76624
>Worrying about open ports and firewalls isn't really a thing on Linux, either.
Anti-baiter is a BAITER

Keep baiting off to un*x faggot
Stallman was and is a ***** so let that sink in.^1
Oh and the debian logo (i dont think it need any other explanation)^2

>Hes a *****ing ***** (1)
>Pizzagate logo (2)

P76687
>unix
>stallman
>inventor of GNU
>GNU is Not Unix
The sad thing is you don't realize how little you know.

P76771
>i-its not u\*ix if i s-say it isnt!
>hurr if only you knew durr
prime u\*ix wiggiod brain damage on display

P76774
>i-its u\*ix if i s-say it is!
Another high quality tech post.

>moved to /misc/
fagmin triggered by the truth about his hobby operating system

P76784
If you want to be in /tech/ then make a tech thread. Talk about architecture, monolith vs microkernel, scheduling algorithms, syscalls vs ipc, mac vs rbac, isas or demos. Nothing in this thread is technical, OP is written like a *****ager just discovered there is an operating system that's not windows but it can't run games therefor it's dumb. This basic normie shit is cancer.

P76776
i agree only s\*s is strictly u\*ix
move all techbro wigger threads to /trash/ as a solution
P76788
>n-not un\*x u-uses a m-microkernel
trips of hurdtard wigger copes https://www.minix3.org/
no wait its gnu+mach/notu\*nx in wigger speech im still learning the cnile ceethe language
all wiggers threads belong in /genetictrash/

P76789
>n-not un\*x u-uses a m-microkernel
Unix is not a microkernel.

P76789
>microkernel
>i know that word!
>look minix
>see guys I know a tech thing
Imagine being this irrelevant. Why do you even bother posting.

P76815
>no u
no shit w\*gger
P76827
its true nobody cares about your irrelevant seething
move to /genetictrash/

i worded that wrong the cnile ceething wigger wont understand me and broken record repeat the obvious like the nonsapient albino protoreptile it is
nobody cares about how you failed to ***** *****ren during your u\*ix graybeard years mald

P76784
fagmin is historyfag dont you know

P76838
this histrionic

P76771
stallman is a jahooo and a *****
please sod off bloody orb

stallman is a *****? based. we need more lgs spreading the wisdom of free software

P76856
***** of jeffy or better yet kys

P76186
Use desktop linux as your host OS idk what distro u choose.
Then use the linux host which has mouch more control and securtiy (and privacy then others) to launch VM's of windows or Android if u need that for your gay usecase.