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P126850
Corporate Tax
Sat 2024-11-09 18:05:50
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Corporate taxes should always be 0%. They are the worst kind of tax.
They don't just tax the corporation. They tax everyone downstream of them, and in our current wagie cagie paradigm, that means you.
Corporate taxes are levied on REVENUE, not profits, so the government is taking a percentage right off the top before anyone gets paid. Then corporations must pay their suppliers: other corporations they buy goods and services from, and their employees. Then, from their profits, they can pay out dividends to the shareholders, or use them to buy back shares, which will raise their share price, effectively paying a dividend to shareholders.
If you want to "eat the rich", then you want to tax corporations AFTER they pay their employees, and before they pay dividends to their shareholders. This means taxing corporate PROFITS, or taxing dividends directly.
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P127736
Wed 2024-11-13 03:15:25
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>The thing I wish leftists would get though is that it's not just that this version of the system is hopelessly broken and corrupt, there is literally no way to make non-broken non-corrupt system based on these upside down incentives.
It's not HOPELESSLY corrupt yet. The problem is really simple, the USA keeps paying traitors to not do the job of national defense instead of paying national defenders (White nationalists) to kill traitors and enemy nationals. It's really simple, kill the traitors and enemy national populations, put White Nationalists in positions of power and transfer ALL the wealth in the USA to them. Then the problems of national defense violations are solved.
There's nothing hopeless about it, it's a simple operation to do, the problem is the USA's rich are USELESS GARBAGE, and they aren't willing to risk anything for the country because they got rich from scams, don't understand what nations even are or what's going on, and can just move to Europe to flee the problems they created, or so they think. Like, we need to rethink property ownership in the Western world if private ownership means this kind of duplicitous useless rot can end up gaming an economic system and then crash the state. Previously national defenders held all the assets and mobilized them in defense of the nation, these useless rich just sit on their god damned asses and won't even sign a check to mobilize private soldiers in defense of the nation even if not doing so means they lose absolutely *****ing everything they own.
The USA's problem is like paying the same scammer repair man to fix something over and over and every time they just break more stuff. Directing the wealth to the right people instead of the wrong people solves these problems basically over night, but every election cycle another blackmailed ***** rapist globalist con man gets put in charge and they dupe the public into thinking they're working on it another 4 years so more of the country can be stolen.
FYI, I don't support Trump being in a presidental position.
He owns property abroad so he's a globalist, those countries can seize his assets any time and therefore have hundreds of millions of dollars of leverage over his family.
He's associated with Epstein, probably was running the whole ***** ***** trafficking scheme out of his *****ing hotels because that's how ***** trafficking rings NORMALLY operate and his connection to Epstein and hotels makes that very very likely.
He's associated with Musk, Musk has been stealing sensitive tech out of the USA using his private company for his financial backers of Saudi Arabia and China as well as being from a bloodline that *****ing destroyed South Africa with lobbying for Bantu citizenship.
Trump had the most obvious spies you could ever imagine like Elaine Chao in his previous cabinet, then played dumb when she was literally a Chinese national.
Trump put William Barr, the *****er involved with Ruby Ridge and the Waco Massacre in his cabinet, then executed a White Nationalist, Daniel Lewis Lee for the crime of defending his nation against foreign agents and seizing their property which is EXACTLY what should be done to rectify this situation.
Trump signed off on 5G without safety testing which killed over a million Americans and MOSTLY killed White youth with radiation (45-65GHz > endogenous opiates/cytokine storm > respiratory depression > ischemia (death and multiorgan damage).
Trump signed off on the mRNA vaccines which mysteriously were almost exclusively used in countries CHINA SEEES AS RIVALS (so basically it's a Chinese genetic weapon to kill off Koreans, Japanese, and Whites globally) while China used harmless deactivated adenovirus vaccines.
Only if I had an explosive collar on Trump's neck would I trust him to carry out an order.
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P127737
Wed 2024-11-13 03:24:33
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Presidential positions are positions of controlling the Federal law enforcement and military primarily. We shouldn't even allow people to run for president if they haven't killed a Mexican kid and a loan shark on live TV to show that they'll do the *****ing job.
You need people that have killed enemy nationals in those positions that won't harm a hair on the good Western people's heads but will throw a Mexican kid to a pack of vicious dogs and laugh as they die.
Trump's a *****ing real estate and loan scammer that doesn't seem to even know what nations are, that rants about globalism when he owns property abroad, runs a multinational company, and meets the definition of a globalist or internationalist.
Even at his peak deception, he still says he wants immigration. There's no reason for ANY immigration if you aren't killing your own population off. Populations grow in number unless you're killing them off with policy. ANY immigration into a country means that the government is killing off so many of its people with policy that it needs to restock with foreign immigration.
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P127738
Wed 2024-11-13 03:33:35
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Based.
How many cups of coffee are you drinking these days?
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P127739
Wed 2024-11-13 03:41:38
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Populations grow in size if you're doing things right and your country has EXCESS people they need to send abroad, like fighting wars with enemy nations and seizing their territory.
Pick any country in the world that allows foreign immigration, and you can see they have policies that are killing off their own people.
Not all countries allow foreign immigration. Some allow visas for specialists, but no citizenship.
Some countries even legally ban specific ethnicities, such as Whites being BANNED from Liberia.
Most countries have ETHNIC, RACIAL, requirements to live in the country, like South Korea, China, Mexico (though they decieve thousands of people into thinking they can get citizenship they never actually get with scams to get them to buy property in Mexico before telling them "***** off gringo, your visa expired, guess you have to sell that property back to us dirt cheap after you fixed it up!").
ANY immigration (granting citizenship to people that are not part of the original population of the country) is an absolute indicator that a regime has been killing off its own people and "globalism" only exists in Western states, the immigration only goes one way. Mexicans get to come here, you don't get to become a citizen with legal rights in Mexico, you don't get to become a citizen in China, and Saudi Arabia only allows you to own property in the Wahabist caliphate while you are working for them as a foreign agent in the West.
P127742
Wed 2024-11-13 04:38:16
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I smoke meth str8 up the Rochester, Michigan kind its p good
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P125570
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Thu 2024-11-07 00:32:08
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P126920
Sat 2024-11-09 23:35:46
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>I can just listen to one of trump's debates or interviews.
Why would Trump brag about cutting corporate taxes in a debate or interview? Do you actually have a quote? That's not going to get him votes.
He brags about what he has accomplished, simple as that. That has been one of his most clear cut policies, after all his anti-establishment talk he let a former G&S president design the tax bill. That's why I, and some of his backers I bet, remember it over his murkier political battles, so drop the propaganda shtick please. I wonder if he would have been re-elected, had he not done it.
> So former President Trump, many of the tax cuts that you signed into law are set to expire next year. You want to extend them and go even further, you say. With the U.S. facing trillion-dollar deficits and record debt, why should top earners and corporations pay even less in taxes than they do now?
>TRUMP: Because the tax cuts spurred the greatest economy that we’ve ever seen just prior to COVID, and even after COVID. It was so strong that we were able to get through COVID much better than just about any other country. But we spurred – that tax spurred.
>Now, when we cut the taxes – as an example, the corporate tax was cut down to 21 percent from 39 percent, plus beyond that – we took in more revenue with much less tax and companies were bringing back trillions of dollars back into our country.
>inb4 he is talking about the whole tax cut, not only corporate, and he is only answering a question
whatever, to me it looks like that one is a meaningful figure to him as well
>"Wall Street types" don't want deregulation. Regulations is how they strangle their competition.
It's both, stop acting deliberately autistic. Big players want to be free to do all the mergers and acquisitions they want, in order to consolidate their power, while regulating small players.
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to act out of goodwill and sacrifice themselves for the "greater good" or whatever?
I expect conflicts of interest to be limited to a certain degree. You say people like Musk got rich themselves through government grants and you seem ok with him talking like he is going to be the main advisor on government spending. I don't dislike Trump as much as I dislike what seems to be his current cadre.
>The only reason anyone gets involved in politics is for personal gain. The sooner you realize that the sooner you can start seeing all the snakes for what they really are.
Everything we do is for some sort of personal gain, nothing serpentine about it. Still, these highly individualistic impulses can be sublimated in some ways.
>Trump is slightly different in that he is doing it for ego instead of money but that's not necessarily better.
Ego is a big factor and it's not his fault if the MSM and others have done everything in their power to infuriate him. But he seems to be following the old script of the businessman entering politics and ending up unable to abandon it for economic and legal reasons.
>The only reason they will stop is if he starts punching back.
He has been punching back from the beginning. By the way, it's extremely misguided to think that it would be a good idea to beat through legal means a political opponent who already has a substantial following. Many have been saying lately that the founding fathers didn't think about the possibility of a convicted felon running for president, I bet they did and that's why they didn't prohibit it.
>You can't have it both ways. Evil capitalists only care about profit. If they're spending huge sums of money to pay lawyers to keep the border open what do they expect to get in return? Because whatever benefits them is probably not going to benefit you.
I meant to delete that part of my post. Anyway, a lot of people supported something like freedom of movement for unvaxxed people for what I could have considered the wrong reasons, I was still happy about it.
>The libertarian creed rests upon one central axiom: that no man or group of men may aggress against the person or property of anyone else.
I said the term was co-opted. Although I don't have anything against this definition, except for the fact that it's very vague and doesn't have to result in yours and the author's conclusions.
>of course you are not free to move anywhere you want
Anywhere? The border Trump wants to reinforce would cut in half a whole continent, I am not talking about invading people's homes. Freedom of movement shouldn't depend on the presence of certain state-issued papers in your pockets (or any chips under your skin).
>only a literal communist who doesn't believe in any kind of property rights wants that.
lol what do you know about communism? Communists usually want to be part of the small group of people who controls the state and owns all the property, and don't start telling me BUT THAT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM!!! Actually most people who dabble in political theory are used to think about the system they envision from the perspective of whom is goin to be at the top of it. Anyways, communists are some of the strongest adversaries of any radical critique of the state and it's the state who cares the most about the integrity of national borders.
>Because that's what happened. News leaked from the Trump campaign that he was planning to announce a pardon for Assange so the Democrats acted quickly to wrap up the Assange trial with a plea bargain that basically let him go. It was to take the campaign talking point away from Trump. So in a sense Trump did free Assange but I agree with you it was way too late.
But he didn't. My impression was that the Biden administration waited for the last moment before extradition. Your interpretation is plausible and maybe I had read about it, he still didn't pardon him when he could have done it.
>your own "reputable" media
You are the one quoting them. But thanks for the source. I had no reason not to believe he said that and I can even imagine Trump decriminalizing drugs, since that would be a boost for the economy, but I don't expect it since from what I know the republicans are still against decriminalization, more than the other party.
It's not very related, but just now I remembered that the first Trump administration passed some decent measures regarding prisons and the conditions of the inmates, although I forgot all about it.
>at the Libertarian National Convention, former President Donald Trump stated, “if you vote for me, on Day One, I will commute the sentence of Ross Ulbricht.”
That's what he likes to say, on Day One! Hope he follows through.
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P126930
Sun 2024-11-10 00:46:48
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I was thinking, now is probably the best time to push for a "national divorce". The communists are mad, and want to do *something*. Let them leave and take the trash with them.
There's no fixing George Floydistan. Although this was a great, great victory, in 2-4 year's time the voters will have forgotten the lessons they learned and reverted back into leftist.
Did you see where Canada fears all the barbarians will be moving north now? Canada just poses. The majority of Canadians don't want all the *****s and Haitians from the toilets of the world. They don't want MS13, VZ gangs, ***** gangs, or all the military-aged men flooding in.
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Mon 2024-11-11 18:06:07
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>He brags about what he has accomplished, simple as that.
What you quoted was a debate question, I don't see that as Trump bragging about it. Like I said, it's the anti-Trumpers who are obsessed with the topic of tax cuts not Trump. Trump basically did it an forgot about it. The ones who are seething about it are the parasites who lost their free lunch.
>It's both, stop acting deliberately autistic.
It's a common misconception that regulations exist to protect citizens from corporate exploitation or whatever when it's the exact opposite. The last thing these corporations want is to lose all their special privileges and be forced to compete on a level playing field.
>You say people like Musk got rich themselves through government grants and you seem ok with him talking like he is going to be the main advisor on government spending.
It's better than Nikki Haley getting in. If the government is going to waste my money I'd prefer it to be wasted on dumb EV shit rather than bombing *****ren in the middle east.
>I don't dislike Trump as much as I dislike what seems to be his current cadre.
Who cares if the billionaires who own Google have a beef with the billionaire who owns Twitter. It has literally nothing to do with us.
>Everything we do is for some sort of personal gain, nothing serpentine about it.
The difference is between a person who acquires resources by selling goods and services that others voluntarily buy vs a person who uses force to steal resources from others. The second person is a snake and everybody involved with government is a snake.
>he seems to be following the old script of the businessman entering politics and ending up unable to abandon it for economic and legal reasons
Who else are you thinking of? It's also nonsense to suggest that Trump needs to win to pardon himself, I guarantee you all the legal bullshit would have disappeared if he had dropped out of politics and shut his mouth. Most of it is disappearing already because it all the chargers were made up to scare voters.
>He has been punching back from the beginning.
Yes he said some unkind things on Twitter. I mean now that everybody acknowledges that the Steele dossier was a hoax how about arresting some people for perjury and treason. Power up the electric chair. I mean punch back like Clinton or Obama would have punched back if people tried to pull this shit on them.
>I don't have anything against this definition, except for the fact that it's very vague and doesn't have to result in yours and the author's conclusions.
You can read the rest if you want. The problem with anti-establishment political philosophies is that everything you think you know about it is probably propaganda.
https://mises.org/online-book/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto/chapter-2-property-and-exchange/nonaggression-axiom
>Communists usually want to be part of the small group of people who controls the state and owns all the property
True. They justify it by saying the state will "wither away" at some point but it only gets bigger.
>Freedom of movement shouldn't depend on the presence of certain state-issued papers in your pockets (or any chips under your skin).
Movement depends on having permission from the owner of the land you want to move into. Taxpayers voting for a border wall is more consistent with libertarian theory than letting the border be a free for all and the people who were forced to pay for it don't have any say.
>it's the state who cares the most about the integrity of national borders
Clearly the current state doesn't though.
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>I was thinking, now is probably the best time to push for a "national divorce". The communists are mad, and want to do *something*. Let them leave and take the trash with them.
Totally. Commies could have everything they want (open borders, abortions, universal healthcare, UBI etc.) literally tomorrow if California just left the union.
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